Suggestion - Breeders Cup

[S u N f r O s t ~]

I was out Breeders Cup scheming when I discovered something very interesting. If you have a colt/stallion three years old or older that runs router turf, you have no choice but to send him to the Breeders Cup Turf. I think we need to add an additional turf race to the calendar. The dirt surface has the Classic and the Marathon to solve this problem. The turf surface should have the Turf (at 10 furlongs) and the Turf Marathon (at 12 furlongs). That should solve the problem and make anybody else with a lot of turfers as well very happy. Any thoughts?

[*Ripley*]

I wonder if we might just make the Male Turf 12 furlongs like it is in real life. That way we don't dilute competition levels down. Because if you're a male horse that runs 10 furlongs you typically are a 7-10 furlong or an 8-11 furlong horse which makes you eligible for the Mile, which could become an important race in the future as more horses are born.

A 9-12 furlong horse would allow the true marathon runner to run in the important Turf race.

[Dante]

I would rather add a race - especially with foal crops becoming large. It's going to be important in a couple years. Plus, that way, the BC Turf and Dirt mirror eachother, and while yes, I know it won't always be equal, I think the BC races should be even in terms of the same opportunities would be available to a turf horse that would be available to a dirt one of similar capabilities.

As for diluting competition, in races like the BC, if you throw a shark to the ponies, you should expect blood. However, if we implement it this year and find there's no one to compete, then we could have an agreement that we could revert to how it would have been, for the sake of that one year.


tl;dr : I'm with Frosty wholeheartedly here.

[Deleted]

I definitely think adding a race should be considered to keep the opportunities equal.

[*Ripley*]

I did not mean to throw horses in that are unqualified. Honestly, that would just be ridiculous. I meant that it would spread competition out. The top horses wouldn't face each other which is a huge problem in real life racing too. For example, if Frosty aimed Infinite Warcry to the ten furlong race, and I aimed Freeze to the 12 furlong, it wouldn't be a true measure of three year old champions on the turf. It lowered the anticipation. We want to create anticipation and excitement.

One of us may also say that the other pointed to an easier race because our top rival wasn't in the race. That was my main argument.

[Dante]

Just because someone's "main rival" isn't in the race means very little; nor would the race be just for three-year-olds (which I know you aren't insinuating, just follow for a sec) For example, it's very likely Frosty would end up sending Infinite Warcry against other high-level talent, be them three, four or five. How is that spreading out competition? It is giving equal opportunities, or shall we also remove the extra dirt race? And the fillies and mares, since they could (and some do) run against the boys in the BC. Let's not spread talent, here.

Why not make things equal, and then you work to place horses to build excitement if you want?

See, I think if you want to play up rivalries, you'd have have to talk to that person and have them agree to enter the same race as you. If both of you see a rivalry you want to do, then do it. For my part, I could honestly care less about rivalries. Yes, I see some horses as "rival" my own (Firebird, Sillenia and Terror Smile all come to mind), but I'm not setting out to target them, and if I don't face them, so what? I probably won't be facing them in the BC, but I'll be facing equal talent in other horses. Nor do I see it as "cowardice" to put, for example, Infinite Warcy and Freeze in another race, or a lack of comparison. I see it as two horses running different distances, in different races, and that's that.

[S u N f r O s t ~]

Dante, you have a way of elucidating my points xD That's exactly what I mean! I think that rather than segregating competition, it will make things easier for some of us to spread our talented stock out. My question is mainly prompted because I have three fantastic 9-12 turfers right now - Sillenia, Worldbreaker and Infinite Warcry. My plan is to send Sill to the Filly and Mare Turf to defend her title again. With World and Infini, I'd have no choice but to send them both to the Turf, but Amber rides them both, hence the problem. If there was a Turf Marathon race, I'd send Infini to the Marathon one, probably, and World to the Turf because it's his last season. And I know it's unlikely I'm the only one with these problems or who will have these problems...thus, the suggestion for more races ;D

[Snowflake]

Yes lets have a turf marathon race add it to the calendar, Frosty!